The BrotherHood Of Metal

[J2TheH]

Is THE shit.

Discuss.

[Joe]

truth

[Prince Harry]

wat

[bik]

meh, used to be a force, but now i feel not so, as proven with the dog gig

we need a few more good local metal bands for the brotherhood to be back to strength

[J2TheH]

I think it needs a rebirth.

[Young Modern]

It needs girth.

[bik]

maybe, but as we chatted last night with the bloody sunday crew, there is only a select few rock/metal bands around that are worth salt, opposed to say 2 years ago when the scene thrived

[J2TheH]

I've got a bad feeling that the moshers will get organised, and get in bands not just from Preston, and proceed to rock the f*ck out.

Dirty moshers.

[bik]

I've got a bad feeling that the moshers will get organised, and get in bands not just from Preston, and proceed to rock the f*ck out.

Dirty moshers.


if so, lets hope it works, because last times its failed.

unless you are Elias Last Day

[J2TheH]

I am IRON MAN.

[partyvan<3salcmene]

The main problem that metal has is that no-one cares anymore. Most HEAVY bands now play to four people and a goat, and there is no real mainstream anymore. The only thing left is high quality musical and vocal metal. That means in Preston one of three bands.

Everyone else is competing for the four people and a goat. The metal scene in the world is dying a death, and the indie scene is following it over the edge into the precipitous deep.

Electronic music is on the rise again, and it will march across the bones of the talentless failed guitar masses with a pair of sunglasses on, dribbling from one corner of its mouth with a ring of powder round one nostril and smelling of poppers as it did in 1991.

Which is good though, because the good guitar bands will still get a crowd, but the shit ones will fail and most of the annoying children will be lying in a corner shivering.

[Reese]

The main problem that metal has is that no-one cares anymore. Most HEAVY bands now play to four people and a goat, and there is no real mainstream anymore. The only thing left is high quality musical and vocal metal. That means in Preston one of three bands.

Everyone else is competing for the four people and a goat. The metal scene in the world is dying a death, and the indie scene is following it over the edge into the precipitous deep.

Electronic music is on the rise again, and it will march across the bones of the talentless failed guitar masses with a pair of sunglasses on, dribbling from one corner of its mouth with a ring of powder round one nostril and smelling of poppers as it did in 1991.

Which is good though, because the good guitar bands will still get a crowd, but the shit ones will fail and most of the annoying children will be lying in a corner shivering.


spot on ... spot on...

[G-Force]

maybe, but as we chatted last night with the bloody sunday crew, there is only a select few rock/metal bands around that are worth salt, opposed to say 2 years ago when the scene thrived

[Sigh] I miss the old days.....................

[J2TheH]

I think metalheads should stop whinging, and do something about.

Start a fire, and promote it. HARD.

[bik]

what do you think last night was?

[Gareth]

Start a fire, and promote it. HARD.

well... they say sex sells but maybe that's a line crossed there.

[Jonnysus]

I think it needs a rebirth.

;)

It needs girth.

;)

meh, used to be a force, but now i feel not so, as proven with the dog gig

we need a few more good local metal bands for the brotherhood to be back to strength

but the flux gig a few months before it proved otherwise.

[FreakyTbass]

I've got a bad feeling that the moshers will get organised, and get in bands not just from Preston, and proceed to rock the f*ck out.

Dirty moshers.

I think maybe we need to involve more bands from out of town and get the message out to a wider audience. And also rely less on Prestone - imagine it doesn't exist (hooray!), how would people know about the gig?

What comes to mind for me is The Day Man Lost gigs. Minimal (if any) ads on here, but the gigs are packed & I only recognise about third of the people there!

Whatever, we'll keep making the noise & hopefully if we can provide a good night out for people, the scene can sustain itself (this time!)

Oh yeah - last night's gig at Mad Ferret was fun - never thought heavy bands would be playing there!!

[bik]

elias last day know how to put on a joint preston/out of town band night. they are the kings of it

they always impressed me with the shows they put on

[Joe]

elias last day know how to put on a joint preston/out of town band night. they are the kings of it

they always impressed me with the shows they put on

very true. Hardest working band for miles so it seems.

[Jonnysus]

there'll be a big fun announcement coming soon. the people that already know can you keep it quiet until then please :)

[Joe]

bah!

[Jonnysus]

:p

[Jonnysus]

also.

if someone would deisgn a logo that is awesome it would be worth beer and/or coke (a-cola)

[J2TheH]

I reckon what Preston needs is a massive, big-night metal smashfest, where you can get aboard the smash wagon, and dance all evening.

Us electro-knobs have it, s'only fair the metalheads should get to have some awesome night also.

[Fugazi]

Meh. Metal's gone shit and disappeared up its own arse again, anyway. Half the shit you hear via heavy rock mediums isn't heavy rock and the other half is a load of widdly shouty poser music-for-musicians balls.

Electro's only moving in temporarily, as the man said up there, because half the bands are playing stuff no-one wants to hear and the other half are locked in their rehearsal rooms trying to lock into something new.

Heavy rock will pick itself up again in a year or two, as it always does, because there's just no way some pillock with a laptop and a record player can generate as much energy as four guys bashing the shit out of live instruments.

Okay, so there hasn't been a genuinely decent alternative music movement since the early nineties, but it'll happen, as soon as people start figuring out how to reject mainstream shit again.

I guess the upside of pirates making it virtually impossible for a band to make a living by selling records is that musicians will start giving less of a shit about what marketing dicks want them to record and more of a shit about making some original music.

[bigred]

Meh. Metal's gone shit and disappeared up its own arse again, anyway. Half the shit you hear via heavy rock mediums isn't heavy rock and the other half is a load of widdly shouty poser music-for-musicians balls.

Electro's only moving in temporarily, as the man said up there, because half the bands are playing stuff no-one wants to hear and the other half are locked in their rehearsal rooms trying to lock into something new.

Heavy rock will pick itself up again in a year or two, as it always does, because there's just no way some pillock with a laptop and a record player can generate as much energy as four guys bashing the shit out of live instruments.

Okay, so there hasn't been a genuinely decent alternative music movement since the early nineties, but it'll happen, as soon as people start figuring out how to reject mainstream shit again.

I guess the upside of pirates making it virtually impossible for a band to make a living by selling records is that musicians will start giving less of a shit about what marketing dicks want them to record and more of a shit about making some original music.

+1

Was i talking to joe about this?

All the metal in rock clubs is the same metal they have been playing for years the new stuff just comes and goes as most of it is shit or so similar to older stuff you may as well play the original.

This is only a good thing though, it means something amazing will come up!

[Fugazi]

+1

Was i talking to joe about this?

All the metal in rock clubs is the same metal they have been playing for years the new stuff just comes and goes as most of it is shit or so similar to older stuff you may as well play the original.

This is only a good thing though, it means something amazing will come up!

Well, you know it's time for a change when the only decent tracks you hear in rock clubs were recorded over ten years ago, and the DJ's only playing them for 'irony' value.

Something amazing will come up, you're right. The notion of trends in music has become so completely perverted by the speed with which the conventional music industry chews through bands that more discerning musicians have started just ignoring it altogether. Of course, the current climate will make it very difficult for standout bands to properly emerge, but eventually people will just start getting sick of only ever hearing one track by each band before they vanish from the face of the planet.

[Hex]

My opinion is a mix of Chris' and Max's. Metal's currently not very popular, largely because bands jumped on the bandwagon and a wave of generic, bland "metal" coated the world in a dull, grey sticky substance of your choice.

However, this means that at the mo, shit bands get nowhere and the only metal that's being recognised at all is the new, inventive stuff.

Like Meshuggah.

[Jonnysus]

Well, you know it's time for a change when the only decent tracks you hear in rock clubs were recorded over ten years ago, and the DJ's only playing them for 'irony' value.

i play songs that were recorded 10 years ago and further away becuase they're awesome songs. nothing ironic about it.

and jay is right... there needs to be a night that the metalheads can have to dance the night away with and get ruined with friends

[Fugazi]

new, inventive stuff.

Like Meshuggah.

Meshuggah have been going since the late eighties. They're less 'new' than Pearl Jam.

[Fugazi]

i play songs that were recorded 10 years ago and further away becuase they're awesome songs. nothing ironic about it.

and jay is right... there needs to be a night that the metalheads can have to dance the night away with and get ruined with friends

I'm specifically referring to the last time I went to the warehouse, you weren't DJing, it was rammed full of little kids with expensive hair and all the music sounded like McFly trying to play Slayer covers, until about midnight and during a lull the DJ put Smells Like Teen Spirit on and everyone under 25 in the room was like "Oh wow, let's all dance to the dad-rock!"

I think the problem with having a metal night on would be deciding what metal to play. Gotta get the right DJ in.

[bigred]

Bands Like Enter Shikari have managed it though.

I realise they arent to everyones tastes but they have managed to gather themselves a niche and a strong audience relatively independantly, by playing a **** load of gigs and working hard.

[Jonnysus]

Gotta get the right DJ in.

;)

[bik]

must. resist. stay.out.of.thread

[Fugazi]

must. resist. stay.out.of.thread

Hey, Bik! Good to see you, come on in! Pull up a chair!

[bik]

its really not my place and i'd just rant/vent which would not be constructive or fair

[Fugazi]

its really not my place and i'd just rant/vent which would not be constructive or fair

Welcome to the internet. Go on, share your two cents.

[bik]

well firstly i would ask where jonny and james have been for the last 2 years?
making posts and comments like this is new idea, like the first time someone thought putting milk and coffee together was a novel and new thing

but that is all i should say

[bik]

ok one more point, i think having bloody sundays and brotherhood gigs 6 days apart is a brainless idea

[Jonnysus]

well firstly i would ask where jonny and james have been for the last 2 years?
making posts and comments like this is new idea, like the first time someone thought putting milk and coffee together was a novel and new thing

but that is all i should say

well i've been putting on gigs sporadically and packing out venues every time. that's where i've been.

jay has been builiding up his own successful night with matt, and getting himself a shit-hot reputation as a promoter. that's where he's been.

this thread is to get people talking about it.

and i bet it's working.

[Jonnysus]

ok one more point, i think having bloody sundays and brotherhood gigs 6 days apart is a brainless idea

where's mavis on tuesday is 7 days apart from where's mavis the following tuesday...

black dog on fridays was 7 days apart from black dog the following friday

[bik]

I reckon what Preston needs is a massive, big-night metal smashfest, where you can get aboard the smash wagon, and dance all evening..



and jay is right... there needs to be a night that the metalheads can have to dance the night away with and get ruined with friends


these two comments in particular had me asking my original question

i know of three regular nights that have come and gone in the last 3 years at different venues.
metalheads have ALWAYS had this

[bik]

where's mavis on tuesday is 7 days apart from where's mavis the following tuesday...

black dog on fridays was 7 days apart from black dog the following friday

my good pal, you completly miss my point

[Jonnysus]

these two comments in particular had me asking my original question

i know of three regular nights that have come and gone in the last 3 years at different venues.
metalheads have ALWAYS had this

yep. and now there's a hole again that needs to be filled - which is what the BoM and Sunday Bloody Sunday gigs are going to do.

[HedMag]

The two problems (as I see it) the metal heads face is...

a) there is no 'great pub hangout' for them whether there is a gig on or not. Mercury Flux failed at it for what ever reasons. I am out of step somewhat cos I generally have a gig myself or am at one most weekends but where is the main hangout - the place were people go more often that not?

b) the lack in numbers of quality local based bands combined with the sparce amount of out of towners who play in the city.

[bik]

b) the lack in numbers of quality local based bands combined with the sparce amount of out of towners who play in the city.


this conundrum is the problem i faced with gigs at the Venue, 3rd day and to an extent now at Ferrit

[Jonnysus]

The two problems (as I see it) the metal heads face is...

a) there is no 'great pub hangout' for them whether there is a gig on or not. Mercury Flux failed at it for what ever reasons. I am out of step somewhat cos I generally have a gig myself or am at one most weekends but where is the main hangout - the place were people go more often that not?

b) the lack in numbers of quality local based bands combined with the sparce amount of out of towners who play in the city.

the older lot hang out at the d&p - but there's not enough room in there by a long shot to put a decent gig on

there was a lot of out-of-town bands that played Flux - just nobody knew about it

i think there's plenty of good metal bands around here - just not all have been given the same chance as the rest.

[HedMag]

this conundrum is the problem i faced with gigs at the Venue, 3rd day and to an extent now at FerritYes I can imagine. Theres only really enough to go round to do 'feature' gigs fortnightly (at best) as far as I am concerned - but it all depends if gigs can survive and prosper on the slightly lesser quality bands bringing in 'numbers' in terms of fans. A metal fan (with taste) is surely gonna be selective about what bands he goes to see.

the older lot hang out at the d&p - but there's not enough room in there by a long shot to put a decent gig on there was a lot of out-of-town bands that played Flux - just nobody knew about itYes I would have thought the D+P is the major pub place - and yes its too small for gigs. And I agree a lot of out of town bands played the Flux (both metal and indie types) but it was seemingly a place where 'anyone' could get a gig.

Which brings its own long term problems.

[bik]

Yes I can imagine. Theres only really enough to go round to do 'feature' gigs fortnightly (at best) as far as I am concerned - but it all depends if gigs can survive and prosper on the slightly lesser quality bands bringing in 'numbers' in terms of fans. A metal fan (with taste) is surely gonna be selective about what bands he goes to see.



bang on.

+1

etc etc

[Jonnysus]

my good pal, you completly miss my point

well the way i see it - your gig is come down watch bands and have a good cold one and chillout with mates before slaving away until the next weekend, and the bom is come down watch bands and get utterly mashed with mates and leave the week behind. correct me if i'm wrong

provided we don't piss all over each other's chips and work together a bit - it'll be shithot.

[Joe]

well the way i see it - your gig is come down watch bands and have a good cold one and chillout with mates before slaving away until the next weekend, and the bom is come down watch bands and get utterly mashed with mates and leave the week behind. correct me if i'm wrong

provided we don't piss all over each other's chips and work together a bit - it'll be shithot.

that's exactly the way I see it.

[Jonny RAW]

that's exactly the way I see it.

+1

[bik]

experience tells me that in the fickle world of preston, based on venue gigs and 3rd day gigs i have put on, people don't/won't go out twice in 6 days to a metal gig. it has just never worked in the 25 gigs of i have put on. the most sucessful ones have been with a good month /at least 2 weeks inbetween

two gigs in 6 days out of a month is silly. i am trying to change mine but i don't think i can. but i shall try my damdest, otherwise i can see two half arsed attended gigs

the worst 3 day attendances always came about when a decent Metal gig preceeded it at the venue on the friday.

its promotor common sense i'm afraid

[Punkage]

Both the BoM nights and the first SBS seem to be pretty successfull nights, the only way its going to fail is when you have the same bands playing 6 nights apart.

I dont see a problem with going out twice in one week to a metal gig, especially when SBS is a free night, having a couple of pints while you watch bands isnt going to break the bank

[bik]

Both the BoM nights and the first SBS seem to be pretty successfull nights, the only way its going to fail is when you have the same bands playing 6 nights apart.

I dont see a problem with going out twice in one week to a metal gig, especially when SBS is a free night, having a couple of pints while you watch bands isnt going to break the bank

perhaps. i'll STFU now anyway, all in all its a good thing thats happening so i'll shove it up my tight ass :p we can only see

[Jonnysus]

all in all its a good thing thats happening so i'll shove it up my tight ass :p we can only see

that's the spirit!

[Hex]

Meshuggah have been going since the late eighties. They're less 'new' than Pearl Jam.


But they've not remained the same in their near-20 years experience, have they? They originally started out as a very Metallica-esque outfit before developing their own, quite unique sound. Listening to each record chronologically, you can really hear how they've developed over time, where they're experimented, tried new ideas and abandoned old ones and so on. Nowadays, I don't think there is any other band like Meshuggah. They are almost totally unique in the metal genre.

I am also, of course, completely biased.

[pixiepie]

I know it shouldn't matter what the night is called but I think calling it "BrotherHood of Metal" makes it sound a bit shit. If I saw that advertised and had never heard of the bands it would seem like a cheesy shit metal night to me. Sorry thats just my opinion

[Fugazi]

But they've not remained the same in their near-20 years experience, have they? They originally started out as a very Metallica-esque outfit before developing their own, quite unique sound. Listening to each record chronologically, you can really hear how they've developed over time, where they're experimented, tried new ideas and abandoned old ones and so on. Nowadays, I don't think there is any other band like Meshuggah. They are almost totally unique in the metal genre.

I am also, of course, completely biased.

Yeah, but you can say the same about Pearl Jam. Point is, Meshuggah have sounded the way they sound for quite some time now.

[Joe]

I know it shouldn't matter what the night is called but I think calling it "BrotherHood of Metal" makes it sound a bit shit. If I saw that advertised and had never heard of the bands it would seem like a cheesy shit metal night to me. Sorry thats just my opinion

sexist

[Fugazi]

I know it shouldn't matter what the night is called but I think calling it "BrotherHood of Metal" makes it sound a bit shit. If I saw that advertised and had never heard of the bands it would seem like a cheesy shit metal night to me. Sorry thats just my opinion

Yeah, but thing is that it was originally based around a core of bands who are very good friends with each other, and the name was a reference to that.

It would seem to me that if you're so put off by the name that you wouldn't attend the nights, you probably wouldn't have enjoyed the bands anyway, since from the start most of us have played reasonably unapologetic chest-beating metal.

[Andy]

I've always hated the name too, even when it was first thought of. Sounds like everyone was some sort of Knight.

[Hex]

Yeah, but you can say the same about Pearl Jam. Point is, Meshuggah have sounded the way they sound for quite some time now.


I would have to respectfully disagree.

[Fugazi]

Again, the name wasn't intended to be taken seriously. If people are gonna turn their noses up at it because it sounds a bit LARP, they need to lighten up.

[cultmetfan]

I've always hated the name too, even when it was first thought of. Sounds like everyone was some sort of Knight.

shurrup you big girl.

[MrAnderson]

Nowadays, I don't think there is any other band like Meshuggah. They are almost totally unique in the metal genre.

I am also, of course, completely biased.
Isis? The difference between Mosquito Control and In The Absence Of Truth is pretty vast. The difference between Earth's Earth 2: Special Low-Frequency Version and The Bees Made Honey in the Lions Skull is even bigger.

Also the likes of the Melvins, Sunn O))), Tool etc have very defined changes as you go through their discographies.

[Fugazi]

I would have to respectfully disagree.

Again, the point I've been trying to make is not that Meshuggah have been doing the same stuff for twenty years, what I'm saying is that if you're looking for an example of a new band getting themselves heard on the basis of decent stuff, Meshuggah aren't a very good example.

[Hex]

Isis? The difference between Mosquito Control and In The Absence Of Truth is pretty vast. The difference between Earth's Earth 2: Special Low-Frequency Version and The Bees Made Honey in the Lions Skull is even bigger.

Also the likes of the Melvins, Sunn O))), Tool etc have very defined changes as you go through their discographies.


I would have to bow to your superior knowledge on those, as I have very limited collections by any of those guys, much as I like 'em.

[Train_of_Thought]

But they've not remained the same in their near-20 years experience, have they? They originally started out as a very Metallica-esque outfit before developing their own, quite unique sound. Listening to each record chronologically, you can really hear how they've developed over time, where they're experimented, tried new ideas and abandoned old ones and so on. Nowadays, I don't think there is any other band like Meshuggah. They are almost totally unique in the metal genre.

I am also, of course, completely biased.

Agreed. Just because a band formed 20 years ago doesn't mean their recent music can't qualify as 'new', especially when it is so different and far removed from their original stuff. And what have pearl jam got to do with it?!

[bik]

Riot Act and Pearl Jam (o6) are in my eyes as great as V's and Vitalogy

but so very frackin different

[Fugazi]

Agreed. Just because a band formed 20 years ago doesn't mean their recent music can't qualify as 'new', especially when it is so different and far removed from their original stuff. And what have pearl jam got to do with it?!

Again, the point I was making was not that Meshuggah's music isn't 'new', more that they're not a 'new' band.

Technically they've been around for longer than Pearl Jam have, and Pearl Jam isn't a band whose music anyone would describe as 'new'. See my point?

[Train_of_Thought]

Again, the point I was making was not that Meshuggah's music isn't 'new', more that they're not a 'new' band.

Technically they've been around for longer than Pearl Jam have, and Pearl Jam isn't a band whose music anyone would describe as 'new'. See my point?

I guess.... But maybe that is because pearl jam's music is mostly defined as being part of a certain time and genre (90's grunge?) whether meshuggah have only really in the last few years been really pushing the envelope of what they do. No they are not a new band tho haha

Anyhoo, meshuggah are certainly a damn sight newer than most music played by DJ's on metal nights (ace of spades, enter sandman, number of the beast, sabbath lbah blah blah blah), which I think was the original point!!




Although I do recognise that DJ's keep playing the 'classics' because thats what get the masses on the dancfloor! (So I don;t offend bik! ;) )

[Jonnysus]

I know it shouldn't matter what the night is called but I think calling it "BrotherHood of Metal" makes it sound a bit shit. If I saw that advertised and had never heard of the bands it would seem like a cheesy shit metal night to me. Sorry thats just my opinion

I've always hated the name too, even when it was first thought of. Sounds like everyone was some sort of Knight.

any ideas?

PM me if you don't want to put it in this thread

and that goes for anybody - i have actually been toying with the idea of changing the name, but can't think of anything!

[Fugazi]

any ideas?

PM me if you don't want to put it in this thread

and that goes for anybody - i have actually been toying with the idea of changing the name, but can't think of anything!

Call it "obSCENE".

And we can all get really expensive hair and dance like a load of gays.

[Jonnysus]

And we can all get really expensive hair and dance like a load of gays.

any excuse ;)

[stephen]

any ideas?

PM me if you don't want to put it in this thread

and that goes for anybody - i have actually been toying with the idea of changing the name, but can't think of anything!

As a member of a band that's too pop for BOM and too heavy for the Indie crowd, I think a change of name would be great because it would mean we could play. ;)

[Jonnysus]

As a member of a band that's too pop for BOM and too heavy for the Indie crowd, I think a change of name would be great because it would mean we could play. ;)

G-A-Y?

[stephen]

G-A-Y?


I was thinking more along the lines of:

"The Brother/Sisterhood of Rock and/or Metal."

But maybe that's a bit too catchy a title.

[Gandalf]

I was thinking more along the lines of:

"The Brother/Sisterhood of Rock and/or Metal."

But maybe that's a bit too catchy a title.

fukken LOL

[Baby SOLD]

I suggest calling it "Jonnystock."

are we metal enough to play the next one?

[Jonnysus]

I suggest calling it "Jonnystock."

are we metal enough to play the next one?

the next 3 are almost booked!

i'll keep you in mind for the December one though :)

[Baby SOLD]

the next 3 are almost booked!

i'll keep you in mind for the December one though :)

almost booked.... then like, there is room for one more band maybe?

kisses.

we will even take out our three part harmonies if thats not metal enough?

kisses again

[Jonny RAW]

You should call it the Boohoohood of Emo and be done with it...:p

[Baby SOLD]

You should call it the Boohoohood of Emo and be done with it...:p

this is the worst joke ever.

[Jonny RAW]

this is the worst joke ever.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/robertnmike/Pure%20Pwnage/NO_U.jpg

[Baby SOLD]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/robertnmike/Pure%20Pwnage/NO_U.jpg

lol

[Jonny RAW]

lol

;)

[Master Bates]

I think a good name would be "Drop the BoM?"

This keeps Brotherhood of metal in the name for the oldies and is a much more heavy and modern sounding name,that will attract new people.

[Baby SOLD]

I think a good name would be "Drop the BoM?"

This keeps Brotherhood of metal in the name for the oldies and is a much more heavy and modern sounding name,that will attract new people.

thats actually a really clever name/idea.

it gets the baby sold thumbs up

[Gandalf]

Changing the name wont make people come tbh.

[Master Bates]

Changing the name wont make people come tbh.

Putting some decent bands on might though :p

[ben mourningwood]

hahaha BURN!

[evilgingeremperor]

experience tells me that in the fickle world of preston, based on venue gigs and 3rd day gigs i have put on, people don't/won't go out twice in 6 days to a metal gig. it has just never worked in the 25 gigs of i have put on. the most sucessful ones have been with a good month /at least 2 weeks inbetween

two gigs in 6 days out of a month is silly. i am trying to change mine but i don't think i can. but i shall try my damdest, otherwise i can see two half arsed attended gigs

the worst 3 day attendances always came about when a decent Metal gig preceeded it at the venue on the friday.

its promotor common sense i'm afraid

Bikkles, something to bear in mind is that this will actually be a reduction in the Venue's metal output. (It's a distillation of the weekly metal gigs into one awesome monthly blow-out.)
As it stood there would have been a metal gig EVERY Friday, so 3 days before yours + 5 days after, etc etc. Now, there's just the one.
Plus, if they're on different weekends, I can't see it being an issue. "Oh, I went out last weekend, therefore I'll be staying in for the next 14 days."

[Blousey Brown]

Drop the BoM is an awful name.

Matt why are you promoting Shoshin? Are they still alive? Where is Chorlton Irish Centre? MORE INFO PLS.

[Joe]

Drop the BoM is an awful name.

Matt why are you promoting Shoshin? Are they still alive? Where is Chorlton Irish Centre? MORE INFO PLS.

Matt drums for them now. much better than the shit beat-boxer

[Redneck]

just keep the term BOM (cos I invented it ) and don't tell anyone wot it means.
Like yer mum drinks southern comfort but yer trendy mate drinks SoCo:D

[Blousey Brown]

Matt drums for them now. much better than the shit beat-boxer

Mint!

[James]

Like yer mum drinks southern comfort but yer trendy mate drinks SoCo:D

Haha! :D

[evilgingeremperor]

Drop the BoM is an awful name.

Matt why are you promoting Shoshin? Are they still alive? Where is Chorlton Irish Centre? MORE INFO PLS.

Chorlton Irish Centre is in Chorlton. :)
Yep, Joe is right, Shoshin is a 3-piece band now, me, Pete & Alan innit.
We'll probably post a practice room recording up as soon as we can.

[GODBOTHERER BASS]

The main problem that metal has is that no-one cares anymore. Most HEAVY bands now play to four people and a goat, and there is no real mainstream anymore. The only thing left is high quality musical and vocal metal. That means in Preston one of three bands.

Has anybody ever really cared?

[Buddy Revell]

The main problem that metal has is that no-one cares anymore. Most HEAVY bands now play to four people and a goat, and there is no real mainstream anymore. The only thing left is high quality musical and vocal metal. That means in Preston one of three bands.

Everyone else is competing for the four people and a goat. The metal scene in the world is dying a death, and the indie scene is following it over the edge into the precipitous deep.

Electronic music is on the rise again, and it will march across the bones of the talentless failed guitar masses with a pair of sunglasses on, dribbling from one corner of its mouth with a ring of powder round one nostril and smelling of poppers as it did in 1991.

Which is good though, because the good guitar bands will still get a crowd, but the shit ones will fail and most of the annoying children will be lying in a corner shivering.

agreed and disagreed.

the music scene in preston revolves around what friends the band can bring. i remember going to a meeting at the mill, and the point was raised that the bands should be bringing at least "their grilfriends, mums and dads, and if you cant do that, then its a sad state of affairs". the point being that as far as i could see, the venues themselves were doing a ****ing terrible job of promoting themselves as live music venues. the dj slots were always rammed, but the bands always played too early, to an empty room, and received next to nothing for their trouble. places in liverpool/manchester have a huge crowd going to the club, just by the fact that the audience know there will be decent bands on.

i cant decide whether preston is just a black hole for enthusiasm, or whether, as a whole, were missing something really important.

most bands lack even tw pennies to rub together for things like promotion, unless they live at their folks house and have no responsibilities to pay for. asking a band to promote an evening, and provide the audience is a backwards way of going about things. surely the aim should be to make sure the venue has a regular attendance, and then employ bands to entertain the crowd you know are going to be there? the lamb used to have this atmosphere, and i fail to understand what happened.

/2psworth.

[Claires]

most bands lack even tw pennies to rub together for things like promotion, unless they live at their folks house and have no responsibilities to pay for. asking a band to promote an evening, and provide the audience is a backwards way of going about things. surely the aim should be to make sure the venue has a regular attendance, and then employ bands to entertain the crowd you know are going to be there? the lamb used to have this atmosphere, and i fail to understand what happened.

/2psworth.


James Speaking:
Agreed. What The Venue needs is some dudes to go in, and take charge of the promotion, and make it their job to get the place noticed.

[Blousey Brown]

most bands lack even tw pennies to rub together for things like promotion, unless they live at their folks house and have no responsibilities to pay for. asking a band to promote an evening, and provide the audience is a backwards way of going about things. surely the aim should be to make sure the venue has a regular attendance, and then employ bands to entertain the crowd you know are going to be there? the lamb used to have this atmosphere, and i fail to understand what happened.

/2psworth.

I've never even considered this before but it's true that for a venue to rely on bands who have very little spare time in most cases and not much free money to promote a gig will often result in a poor turnout.

[Jonnysus]

most bands lack even tw pennies to rub together for things like promotion, unless they live at their folks house and have no responsibilities to pay for. asking a band to promote an evening, and provide the audience is a backwards way of going about things. surely the aim should be to make sure the venue has a regular attendance, and then employ bands to entertain the crowd you know are going to be there? the lamb used to have this atmosphere, and i fail to understand what happened.

/2psworth.

this is the aim of the brotherhood

[Buddy Revell]

James Speaking:
Agreed. What The Venue needs is some dudes to go in, and take charge of the promotion, and make it their job to get the place noticed.

but then the typical preston argument will arise about how the promoters wont put any money in, until the bands start "doing their bit" or "pulling their weight", which essentially should translate as "we havent budgeted for this, or thought this through properly, so we want you, young band, to fill our empty room with roughly 150 of your friends, the fact that you have two kids, and virtually no social life is no concern of ours, and in fact, if you dont bring the crowd, well be forced to shut"

[J2TheH]

I reckon they need someone with a proven track record for putting on decent nights, and to give it their all and try and make The Venue ace again.

[Jonnysus]

but then the typical preston argument will arise about how the promoters wont put any money in, until the bands start "doing their bit" or "pulling their weight", which essentially should translate as "we havent budgeted for this, or thought this through properly, so we want you, young band, to fill our empty room with roughly 150 of your friends, the fact that you have two kids, and virtually no social life is no concern of ours, and in fact, if you dont bring the crowd, well be forced to shut"

there is a budget :D

[Jonnysus]

I reckon they need someone with a proven track record for putting on decent nights, and to give it their all and try and make The Venue ace again.

i think this someone should send me an e-mail they said they were going to send :p

[Buddy Revell]

there is a budget :D

good stuff. dont drink it. :p

[Jonnysus]

good stuff. dont drink it. :p

there's a budget for that too

[Buddy Revell]

there's a budget for that too

ORSUM!!!!

[Shad]

<my 2 pence>

The problem i have with the current BOM is that its the same bands, dont get me wrong, they are good, but theres nothing new. Its the Brotherhood of 6 bands which always seem to include Spiral Tower, Force of Habbit and whatever band Max seems to be in at the time. Last month we were told that there were 2 out of town bands as there was lack of local support. Then when asked about playing BOM the reply was, basically jonny just picks some bands, no advertising or anything, just that. I hate to sound the way i sound, i dont mean to, honestly. I have total respect for the people running these nights. There is also something new on the horizon which is being run in the same style as BoM which might give it a challenge. A monthly event aiming at playing Rock/Metal bands, with different bands playing in each, The next 3 events are pretty much arranged. BoM used to be ace, unfortunately due to venues and lack of different bands, it has slumped a little, i wish it all the best in picking up and you can cound on my hard earned cash being spent at such events.

I think we need to all pull together. Metal is not dying, the bands are still around, venues are thin on the ground and with 2, possibly 3 big events on the go, theres plenty to quench the thirst of the Metalheads

</my 2 pence>

I would just like to apologise for the mood of the above post. BoM is a great event which has just lacked a little recently and I would personaly like to see a litle variation

[Jonnysus]

<my 2 pence>

The problem i have with the current BOM is that its the same bands, dont get me wrong, they are good, but theres nothing new. Its the Brotherhood of 6 bands which always seem to include Spiral Tower, Force of Habbit and whatever band Max seems to be in at the time. Last month we were told that there were 2 out of town bands as there was lack of local support. Then when asked about playing BOM the reply was, basically jonny just picks some bands, no advertising or anything, just that. I hate to sound the way i sound, i dont mean to, honestly. I have total respect for the people running these nights. There is also something new on the horizon which is being run in the same style as BoM which might give it a challenge. A monthly event aiming at playing Rock/Metal bands, with different bands playing in each, The next 3 events are pretty much arranged. BoM used to be ace, unfortunately due to venues and lack of different bands, it has slumped a little, i wish it all the best in picking up and you can cound on my hard earned cash being spent at such events.

I think we need to all pull together. Metal is not dying, the bands are still around, venues are thin on the ground and with 2, possibly 3 big events on the go, theres plenty to quench the thirst of the Metalheads

</my 2 pence>

I would just like to apologise for the mood of the above post. BoM is a great event which has just lacked a little recently and I would personaly like to see a litle variation

BoM also only used to be twice a year - so it was easier to pick some bands instead of going "BOM soon who wants to play?" then getting every metal band and their grandmother asking

i'm going to be asking you lot pretty soon once i've definately got the first 2 boxed and sorted.

so nerr

[The Ruke]

<my 2 pence>

The problem i have with the current BOM is that its the same bands, dont get me wrong, they are good, but theres nothing new. Its the Brotherhood of 6 bands which always seem to include Spiral Tower, Force of Habbit and whatever band Max seems to be in at the time. Last month we were told that there were 2 out of town bands as there was lack of local support. Then when asked about playing BOM the reply was, basically jonny just picks some bands, no advertising or anything, just that. I hate to sound the way i sound, i dont mean to, honestly. I have total respect for the people running these nights. There is also something new on the horizon which is being run in the same style as BoM which might give it a challenge. A monthly event aiming at playing Rock/Metal bands, with different bands playing in each, The next 3 events are pretty much arranged. BoM used to be ace, unfortunately due to venues and lack of different bands, it has slumped a little, i wish it all the best in picking up and you can cound on my hard earned cash being spent at such events.

I think we need to all pull together. Metal is not dying, the bands are still around, venues are thin on the ground and with 2, possibly 3 big events on the go, theres plenty to quench the thirst of the Metalheads

</my 2 pence>

I would just like to apologise for the mood of the above post. BoM is a great event which has just lacked a little recently and I would personaly like to see a litle variation

Stitchthread, Broken faith, Multi purpose chemical, screams of cold winter, March and House on fire who all played the last brotherhood gig seem like pretty origonal choices to me. Don't quote on this but i think none of them bands have played a brotherhood gig before. All of them Bands are completely different but are classed as metal in some way, shape or form; which for me is the best thing for a local gig - an eclectic choice bands to keep people entertained throughout.

Plus I would gladly watch Force of Habit, Spiral tower, Freak Jesus etc. at any gig anytime. What's wrong with having the best bands and peoples' favourite bands play regularly on the local scene?........NOTHING.

The thing that was wrong the last brotherhood gig was the venue which for does not lend itself well to gigs being played there.

[J2TheH]

All you filthy moshers should shut the hell up.

[Zebedee]

All you filthy moshers should shut the hell up.

How DARE you speak to my Ruke like that!?!?!

[Jonnysus]

Stitchthread, Broken faith, Multi purpose chemical, screams of cold winter, March and House on fire who all played the last brotherhood gig seem like pretty origonal choices to me. Don't quote on this but i think none of them bands have played a brotherhood gig before. All of them Bands are completely different but are classed as metal in some way, shape or form; which for me is the best thing for a local gig - an eclectic choice bands to keep people entertained throughout.

Plus I would gladly watch Force of Habit, Spiral tower, Freak Jesus etc. at any gig anytime. What's wrong with having the best bands and peoples' favourite bands play regularly on the local scene?........NOTHING.

The thing that was wrong the last brotherhood gig was the venue which for does not lend itself well to gigs being played there.

QFT

[Shad]

Stitchthread, Broken faith, Multi purpose chemical, screams of cold winter, March and House on fire who all played the last brotherhood gig seem like pretty origonal choices to me. Don't quote on this but i think none of them bands have played a brotherhood gig before. All of them Bands are completely different but are classed as metal in some way, shape or form; which for me is the best thing for a local gig - an eclectic choice bands to keep people entertained throughout.

Plus I would gladly watch Force of Habit, Spiral tower, Freak Jesus etc. at any gig anytime. What's wrong with having the best bands and peoples' favourite bands play regularly on the local scene?........NOTHING.

The thing that was wrong the last brotherhood gig was the venue which for does not lend itself well to gigs being played there.

Theres nothing wrong with it. It sometimes just gets abit of teh same old same old. I like to listen to loadsa bands, not just the same ones again and again. I think FoH are ace, aswell as Spiral tower and the freaks, there all ace and are great to watch


Dont get me wrong, i really didnt want it to seem i was having a go, just having a bad day and rattering on, i must say though

Multi Purpose Chemical (Out of town - mentioned above)
Screams - only played due to last minute drop out
March - i did mention this above also

Dont get me wrong jonny, im not having a go coz we have not played, far from it. Like i said above I just want these kinda nights to be a success and PESONALLY watching the same bands play the same events gets a bit wearing.

Anyway rawk on guys

[Jonny RAW]

Stitchthread, Broken faith, Multi purpose chemical, screams of cold winter, March and House on fire who all played the last brotherhood gig seem like pretty origonal choices to me. Don't quote on this but i think none of them bands have played a brotherhood gig before. All of them Bands are completely different but are classed as metal in some way, shape or form; which for me is the best thing for a local gig - an eclectic choice bands to keep people entertained throughout.

Plus I would gladly watch Force of Habit, Spiral tower, Freak Jesus etc. at any gig anytime. What's wrong with having the best bands and peoples' favourite bands play regularly on the local scene?........NOTHING.

The thing that was wrong the last brotherhood gig was the venue which for does not lend itself well to gigs being played there.

The Ruke... The Ruke... The Ruke is on fire!:eek:

All you filthy moshers should shut the hell up.

Kiss my dick, Kowl...













http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/k/kowl.jpg

[J2TheH]

How DARE you speak to my Ruke like that!?!?!



You moshers should shut up and get organised, like us electro-fools.

[stephen]

You should rename it The Brotherhood of Petal.

[Mez]

I been trying to keep out of this thread but i am bored so here is my metal two cents.

The main problem that metal has is that no-one cares anymore. Most HEAVY bands now play to four people and a goat, and there is no real mainstream anymore. The only thing left is high quality musical and vocal metal. That means in Preston one of three bands.

Everyone else is competing for the four people and a goat. The metal scene in the world is dying a death, and the indie scene is following it over the edge into the precipitous deep.

Electronic music is on the rise again, and it will march across the bones of the talentless failed guitar masses with a pair of sunglasses on, dribbling from one corner of its mouth with a ring of powder round one nostril and smelling of poppers as it did in 1991.

Which is good though, because the good guitar bands will still get a crowd, but the shit ones will fail and most of the annoying children will be lying in a corner shivering.

I'm sorry man but i don't agree. I remember you put a pretty much identical statement in the Battle Of The Bands thread how electro DJs and the like were the future of music in Preston. They all got knocked out on their first round.
Metal is far from dead , it just doesn't have a resident place in Preston. The Preston music scene is dominated by fads and what ever is in rules the roost.

I remember back in the day when i was like 15 or so and Brotherhood was few and far between. Having loads wont do any good. You have a poor choice of venues with poor sound. The same bands (no diss to the bands) which doesnt make people want to go.

The promotion doesn't grab anyone either. The past few metal gigs in Preston have all had the same poster. Just a quick jobby with some wobbly 70s writing. No logos , no myspaces , no descriptions.

I am into my metal and although I know you lot keep pretty tight lipped when it comes to my band , but i wouldn't play a gig i knew wouldn't be promoted nor would anyone be interested like.

rant over , feel free to correct my grammar or spellings.

[Zebedee]

You moshers should shut up and get organised, like us electro-fools.
I wouldn't want to do anything that would make me even remotely similar to you "electro fools" James.

The promotion doesn't grab anyone either. The past few metal gigs in Preston have all had the same poster. Just a quick jobby with some wobbly 70s writing.

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v241/103/117/549570229/n549570229_2828225_760.jpg

[Mez]

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v241/103/117/549570229/n549570229_2828225_760.jpg

Yeah that poster which is pretty much identical to the others. No Myspace to check the bands out. No descriptions i.e. Spiral Tower "Powerful Prog Metal for fans of Cynic , Pain of Salvation"
ya get me ?

[Zebedee]

ya get me ?

Without a shadow of a doubt.

[Jonnysus]

No Myspace to check the bands out. No descriptions i.e. Spiral Tower "Powerful Prog Metal for fans of Cynic , Pain of Salvation"
ya get me ?

*takes note*

good critisism that.

[Andy]

And on that poster above, I know of the bands and I still find it difficult to read the band names.

[bik]

i usually myspace the bands online, but not on posters as they clog up the poster/images.

the aim of the poster is to catch the eye, detail where the event is and the time/date of the show.


i raraly see posters with myspaces on. and even rarer an poster with a descripotion of the band on. the art of doing that is in the poster design. the bloody sunday one does all that

if i see a poster with a description of a band such as " Spiral Tower "Powerful Prog Metal for fans of Cynic , Pain of Salvation" i wpuldn't give it a second look.

no offense to the misery of sounds guys who do this a lot, but i really don't like stuff like that ON A POSTER

[Mez]

i usually myspace the bands online, but not on posters as they clog up the poster/images.

the aim of the poster is to catch the eye, detail where the event is and the time/date of the show.


i raraly see posters with myspaces on. and even rarer an poster with a descripotion of the band on. the art of doing that is in the poster design. the bloody sunday one does all that

if i see a poster with a description of a band such as " Spiral Tower "Powerful Prog Metal for fans of Cynic , Pain of Salvation" i wpuldn't give it a second look.

no offense to the misery of sounds guys who do this a lot, but i really don't like stuff like that ON A POSTER

i get what your saying man as its down to personal opinion but i think i would rather see this for a hypothetical gig :

spiral tower - prog blah blah -myspaz/tower

stitchthread - doom fans of dying bride spaz/thread

rather than same poster with same scrunched up lettering every gig.

[bik]

i get what your saying man as its down to personal opinion but i think i would rather see this for a hypothetical gig :

spiral tower - prog blah blah -myspaz/tower

stitchthread - doom fans of dying bride spaz/thread

rather than same poster with same scrunched up lettering every gig.

we difference of an opinion here. when i see posters like that i instantly think that

a) the band must not be very good
b) its strikes me as very amateurish

if they must be labelled and compared with other bands, especially well known bands. when i have seen the show i have already an expectation in my head and i am always disappointed

if i can i will always use a bands logo also, if you recall the 3rd day posters for example. but getting logos from bands is like pulling teeth somethimes, and with deadlines etc to work too, i'm happy to let one artist interpret the idea for the night

[bigred]

No offence to heartbox when i say this but his last few posters have followed the same motif pretty strictly, all featuring that slightly illegible font, a filtered movie clip and a 3 colour motiff.

It depends where you are putting your posters/flyers, I know hardcore nights often have a "same vein as hope con with more aggression" type comment on and its quite useful sometimes, as is the myspace address, especially if you dont catch a bands name and quite like them!

[Mez]

we difference of an opinion here. when i see posters like that i instantly think that

a) the band must not be very good
b) its strikes me as very amateurish

if they must be labelled and compared with other bands, especially well known bands. when i have seen the show i have already an expectation in my head and i am always disappointed

if i can i will always use a bands logo also, if you recall the 3rd day posters for example. but getting logos from bands is like pulling teeth somethimes, and with deadlines etc to work too, i'm happy to let one artist interpret the idea for the night

yeah man i get what your saying, like when we did 3rd day we didn't have a logo really just a crappy "metal" looking font.
The reason i say about the mini descriptions or even a myspace is just for the fact a gig should attract new people. A lot of people won't part money for something they dont get. Imagine if you were new to this town and you saw slapped up : 32ft Gauge
Freakjesus
Blunt Force Trauma
Nurse of War

would you know what to expect from all of em ? Because all of these gigs are pretty diverse its not like an extreme night or a punk night were all bands are the same.
i know what you mean about comparisons as when i shop for music i rarely buy anything that says "for fans of..." but i think we have to outline where the bands are coming from musically to appeal to more people.

[Metrobone]

i would like to go to more metal gigs because when i was younger i used to really enjoy it and on the rare occasions i have ventured to them recently i have seen some cool bands (NoW and 32ft to name but 2)

I am however slightly put off by the flyers/ promotion. Call me fickle but if the flers were more non-metal friendly I would be more likely to attend.

This is not a criticism of anyone just an observation.

[Mez]

I am however slightly put off by the flyers/ promotion. Call me fickle but if the flers were more non-metal friendly I would be more likely to attend.

This is not a criticism of anyone just an observation.

I dont think the flyers are that "metal" now , i mean we could have them done really well and proper dark and well designed with spiky logos (for the applicable bands) but there really isn't the audience to appreciate it or make it worth the effort. Or we could have them made "\m/ METAL \m/" in a cheesy stereotype and become a laughing stock of the local music community.

i definitely see your point about attracting new audiences with more accessible flyers though.

[Jonny RAW]

Or we could have them made "\m/ METAL \m/" in a cheesy stereotype and become a laughing stock of the local music community.

So that's why everyone giggles and points at me! I thought it was because I'm a middle-class white guy with dreads, who works in retail in his thirties...

On reflection, it's probably all of these things...:(

I hate you all...

[Jonnysus]

Jonny your posters were ace

[Mez]

in his thirties...



NO WAY !!!!
your not past 29 are you dude ? i thought you were like 25 tops !

[bard apple]

No offence to heartbox when i say this but his last few posters have followed the same motif pretty strictly, all featuring that slightly illegible font, a filtered movie clip and a 3 colour motiff.

Totally agree, especially with different club nights using the same design!! ARRGGHH!!!! Can't read the band names!!

[J2TheH]

I think the best poster artist in the city is Matty Fresh.

He should do your mosher shit.

[Jonny RAW]

Jonny your posters were ace

Aw, aren't you sweet!:p

They often got slated for being too cheesy metal though... Not that it ever stopped me from slapping it on with a trowel...

I've been off my game for a while now though, resorting to the lazy way out of nicking images from Google, but then again, I'm not quite the jobless hermit I was in those heady days of yore...

[bard apple]

I think the best poster artist in the city is Matty Fresh.

Dick swinging alert!!:rolleyes:

Matts stuff is cool though.

[Jonnysus]

They often got slated for being too cheesy metal though...

but that's the point

metal shouldn't be taken seriously

[Jonny RAW]

NO WAY !!!!
your not past 29 are you dude ? i thought you were like 25 tops !

32 next month...

I'm just really immature...

[Mez]

I'm just really immature...

Arent we all man :D

[ghost]

i usually myspace the bands online

This uses the assumption that everyone who goes to the gig is on Prestone or your friend on Facebook/MySpace though.

[Fugazi]

Yeah that poster which is pretty much identical to the others. No Myspace to check the bands out. No descriptions i.e. Spiral Tower "Powerful Prog Metal for fans of Cynic , Pain of Salvation"
ya get me ?

And on that poster above, I know of the bands and I still find it difficult to read the band names.

i usually myspace the bands online, but not on posters as they clog up the poster/images.

the aim of the poster is to catch the eye, detail where the event is and the time/date of the show.


i raraly see posters with myspaces on. and even rarer an poster with a descripotion of the band on. the art of doing that is in the poster design. the bloody sunday one does all that

if i see a poster with a description of a band such as " Spiral Tower "Powerful Prog Metal for fans of Cynic , Pain of Salvation" i wpuldn't give it a second look.

no offense to the misery of sounds guys who do this a lot, but i really don't like stuff like that ON A POSTER

i get what your saying man as its down to personal opinion but i think i would rather see this for a hypothetical gig :

spiral tower - prog blah blah -myspaz/tower

stitchthread - doom fans of dying bride spaz/thread

rather than same poster with same scrunched up lettering every gig.

we difference of an opinion here. when i see posters like that i instantly think that

a) the band must not be very good
b) its strikes me as very amateurish

if they must be labelled and compared with other bands, especially well known bands. when i have seen the show i have already an expectation in my head and i am always disappointed

if i can i will always use a bands logo also, if you recall the 3rd day posters for example. but getting logos from bands is like pulling teeth somethimes, and with deadlines etc to work too, i'm happy to let one artist interpret the idea for the night

No offence to heartbox when i say this but his last few posters have followed the same motif pretty strictly, all featuring that slightly illegible font, a filtered movie clip and a 3 colour motiff.

It depends where you are putting your posters/flyers, I know hardcore nights often have a "same vein as hope con with more aggression" type comment on and its quite useful sometimes, as is the myspace address, especially if you dont catch a bands name and quite like them!

I may not be in the best position to comment, but I agree with both fronts on this.

Firstly, I agree that Heartbox's signature font (i.e. the cut-out font he seems to use on all of his flyer and poster work I've seen) is all but illegible, which is a catastrophe in promotional terms, and overall his poster work seems a little too "clubby", a little cluttered, a bit too trendy, and not hugely reflective of the event's vibe in the case of BoM, which is supposed to be like a miniature rock festival, not like a clubnight with bands on.

On the other hand, I agree with Bik that putting "sounds like blah blah blah" on a poster just looks bad, especially since the "sounds like" is usually followed by a list of bands that potential audiences are equally unlikely to have heard of, e.g."SONS OF DECADENCE (doom/prog for fans of Fiddly Widgets, Prolapsicon and The Erotic Feces)" - it just looks, to a reader, like something no-one gives a f*ck about.

Same goes for myspace addresses, I really have to question the merit of including those, because I have NEVER seen someone quickly jot down the address of a band they've seen on a poster for future reference. Web address promotion goes elsewhere, on the web, maybe even flyers, but not on posters.

[Heartbox]

Lol. Just spotted the Heartbox bashing. Go me!

[Fugazi]

Lol. Just spotted the Heartbox bashing. Go me!

Sorry, that did sound a bit harsh. That font you do does get right on my tits though.

[Heartbox]

Sorry, that did sound a bit harsh. That font you do does get right on my tits though.

It certainly divides opinion. I respect your opinion on this as I know you to be not lacking in graphicallic skills. It's the way of poster design at the moment, I can find you some even less legible ones if you like? Believe it or not, I'm actually a moderate as far as the hand drawn type goes.

[Fugazi]

It certainly divides opinion. I respect your opinion on this as I know you to be not lacking in graphicallic skills. It's the way of poster design at the moment, I can find you some even less legible ones if you like? Believe it or not, I'm actually a moderate as far as the hand drawn type goes.

Call me a philistine, but I've never been all that interested in design trends, especially as far as clubs and such is concerned. If you're advertising something, it should be as clear as possible what it is the first time you look at it. Fiddly typefaces are fun and everything, but not when I'm trying to decipher which bands are on.

[J2TheH]

It should be mix of function and fashion.
It's gotta look the shit, but also got to display the info.

[Jonny RAW]

It should be mix of function and fashion.
It's gotta look the shit, but also got to display the info.

Preferably readable from a distance too, unless it's only to be displayed online...

Fashion...*shudder*

[J2TheH]

Yeah also agree.

Aint nothing wrong with looking cool. Metal doesn't have to be boring. That zombie poster you did would of been good with a little more work with the typography.

:p

[evilgingeremperor]

I think the best poster artist in the city is Matty Fresh.

He should do your mosher shit.

Dick swinging alert!!:rolleyes:

Matts stuff is cool though.

Lol.

I've not really tackled a metal poster before, so this is going to be quite a task. Plus it looks like I'll be drowning in opinion soup as soon as it appears on here.

[J2TheH]

I'll be drowning in opinion soup.

Use the crusty baguette in the middle to climb out.

[Fugazi]

Lol.

I've not really tackled a metal poster before, so this is going to be quite a task. Plus it looks like I'll be drowning in opinion soup as soon as it appears on here.

Stay away from the cheesy horns, the "666" stuff, all the usual satanic shite, the leather n' chains and so on, and you should be alright.

[Metrobone]

Use the crusty baguette in the middle to climb out.

or put it on a butty!

[Heartbox]

Call me a philistine, but I've never been all that interested in design trends, especially as far as clubs and such is concerned. If you're advertising something, it should be as clear as possible what it is the first time you look at it. Fiddly typefaces are fun and everything, but not when I'm trying to decipher which bands are on.

That's ok. I respect that. I'm a trend follower all the way. Maybe that makes me shallow, but thats how I roll. When I'm doing these posters I'm selling ME too, so I want them to say something about me.

Quick look back at last weeks submissions to GigPosters throw up these hard to read ones:

http://www.gigposters.com/posters/101344.jpg
http://www.gigposters.com/posters/101352.jpg
http://www.gigposters.com/posters/101387.jpg
http://www.gigposters.com/posters/101404.jpg

there are better examples of ones you really can't read, but I'd have to properly look back through the archives.

In my defence, I try to include plain type at the bottom also for those that can't work it out.

[J2TheH]

or put it on a butty!

LOL! Highfives!

It's ok guys, I've done you all a BOM poster. Free of charge. It's probably the best thing I've ever done:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/J2TheH/BOM.jpg

You can totally have that for free guys. Your welcome.

[Metrobone]

LOL! Highfives!

It's ok guys, I've done you all a BOM poster. Free of charge. It's probably the best thing I've ever done:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/J2TheH/BOM.jpg

You can totally have that for free guys. Your welcome.

catchy!

[Mez]

On the other hand, I agree with Bik that putting "sounds like blah blah blah" on a poster just looks bad, especially since the "sounds like" is usually followed by a list of bands that potential audiences are equally unlikely to have heard of, e.g."SONS OF DECADENCE (doom/prog for fans of Fiddly Widgets, Prolapsicon and The Erotic Feces)" - it just looks, to a reader, like something no-one gives a f*ck about.

Same goes for myspace addresses, I really have to question the merit of including those, because I have NEVER seen someone quickly jot down the address of a band they've seen on a poster for future reference. Web address promotion goes elsewhere, on the web, maybe even flyers, but not on posters.

I think the thing to remember is with these BOM posters. Johnny and Jenni* are trying to make a strong metal night with a good turn out. At the moment it seems very "by our mates for our mates" approach.
When the dog one happened it brought new bands in and i think it would be good if a myspace was slapped on like (personally for BoM i dont give a shit, as its nothing to do with me , do as they will with it)
The Majority of gig posters whether it be from indie stuff , electro , metal whatever will get slapped up here so you don't really need to jot anything.
Again as for description the gig is a diy jobby and has not got a guaranteed turnout so i think a small description could come in favourably.

* is it you two who run it now ?

It certainly divides opinion. I respect your opinion on this as I know you to be not lacking in graphicallic skills. It's the way of poster design at the moment, I can find you some even less legible ones if you like? Believe it or not, I'm actually a moderate as far as the hand drawn type goes.

Its nothing against the font, i'm sure with respect it has its place , just not on every poster.

It should be mix of function and fashion.
It's gotta look the shit, but also got to display the info.

yeah this is true man , but i don't think it should be a weekly , monthly , bi-monthly worry for Brotherhood. They will begin to lose all steam if we are on BOM 28 by this time next year.

[evilgingeremperor]

LOL! Highfives!

It's ok guys, I've done you all a BOM poster. Free of charge. It's probably the best thing I've ever done:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/J2TheH/BOM.jpg

You can totally have that for free guys. Your welcome.

Done. No need for me to come into work tomorrow. :)

[Joe]

Done. No need for me to come into work tomorrow. :)

work?

[Fugazi]

When I'm doing these posters I'm selling ME too, so I want them to say something about me.

I kind of have an issue with that. The promoters may not, and you are doing it for free and so on, but if the fact that you're promoting yourself gets in the way of promoting the event (and I have in the past had to look very carefully at a couple of your posters to see what bands were playing) then that's not fair on them.

Like I said, I don't really give a shit what Trendy McTrendfollower and his mates are doing in the wonderful world of modern arty poster design, it's ultimately about telling people what bands are on where and when, and interesting and edgy poster work is only really a plus if it still manages to effectively communicate the information it's supposed to convey.

[Metrobone]

work?

you wanna see their office they have a fluffing couch and everyting

[Joe]

on the font thing- I really liked Stu's flyers until the new font. I can't read them at all.

[Jonny RAW]

Yeah also agree.

Aint nothing wrong with looking cool. Metal doesn't have to be boring. That zombie poster you did would of been good with a little more work with the typography.

:p

Thanks for your condescending praise, Tinkerbell...;)

I've been paid once for doing a poster. It was £10, and I was bloody grateful. At the end of the day, 99% of the stuff I do is purely for the fun of it, as a favour (generally within the metal community), or at worst to let people know what's happening with the Fail, so I generally stop when I like something, as it's my time that's swirled down the pan. If it hurts the viewer's eyes or is illegible I'll happily change it, but I've never claimed to be a professional, I got a D in my art GCSE (which I counted as a fail), and yet some people have complimented me on my output, which is a massive bonus, but not at all expected...

Besides, not one of you can stop me!:p

[evilgingeremperor]

work?

Yeah, hard graft Joe. Working on things that will affect people's lives.
The important stuff. Making a difference to the world.
Not messing about with pipes.

[Metrobone]

Yeah, hard graft Joe. Working on things that will affect people's lives.
The important stuff. Making a difference to the world.
Not messing about with pipes.

this is what i've been doing all day:D

[Joe]

Yeah, hard graft Joe. Working on things that will affect people's lives.
The important stuff. Making a difference to the world.
Not messing about with pipes.

do you actuallly know what I do for a living Matthew?

[Mez]

Thanks for your condescending praise, Tinkerbell...;)

I've been paid once for doing a poster. It was £10, and I was bloody grateful. At the end of the day, 99% of the stuff I do is purely for the fun of it, as a favour (generally within the metal community), or at worst to let people know what's happening with the Fail, so I generally stop when I like something, as it's my time that's swirled down the pan. If it hurts the viewer's eyes or is illegible I'll happily change it, but I've never claimed to be a professional, I got a D in my art GCSE (which I counted as a fail), and yet some people have complimented me on my output, which is a massive bonus, but not at all expected...

Besides, not one of you can stop me!:p

there were nowt wrong with your posters to be honest man. In my eyes it was a different era of things. When people gave a crap about local metal , which is dead now and why we have to make our metal non local.

[Jonny RAW]

there were nowt wrong with your posters to be honest man. In my eyes it was a different era of things. When people gave a crap about local metal , which is dead now and why we have to make our metal non local.

There are some awesome bands around here, but not enough to justify a whole scene (I tried to think of another word, I really did) without it all becoming stale, but by encouraging other bands in from around the UK (like is happening more and more - Cough*sig*Cough) to compliment what homegrown talent we have has a much better chance of regenerating interest in the genre with the local crowds, as well as increasing contacts for support slots out of town.

Local metal is as dead as we let it be...

[evilgingeremperor]

do you actuallly know what I do for a living Matthew?

Are you a spy for Inland Revenue?

[Mez]

There are some awesome bands around here, but not enough to justify a whole scene (I tried to think of another word, I really did) without it all becoming stale, but by encouraging other bands in from around the UK (like is happening more and more - Cough*sig*Cough) to compliment what homegrown talent we have has a much better chance of regenerating interest in the genre with the local crowds, as well as increasing contacts for support slots out of town.

Local metal is as dead as we let it be...

I think the best idea is for bands to strive to get new fans through gigging out of town , using myspace, purevolume , actually talking to people at festivals and stuff.
It depends on how seriously you wanna take it i suppose.

[jesus_nightside_eclipse]

I do think flyers go a long way in helping push a night. I always liked the BoR ones; even if the mask looks a little crap the whole thing - from font to logo to background to James' painfully middle-class, received-pronounciation-cum-Ebonics spiel - has a distinct identity. Same with the Bikini Black Special flyers that I've seen. Heartbox is clearly talented, but his flyers say **** all aesthetically about the night, the only thing that you get from them is that they were designed by the same person, which is largely irrelevant. I'm not trying to put the boot in here, I wouldn't even know where to begin with designing flyers, but regular events such as BoM and the like need an identity - the flyer needs to be speak for the event, not the designer. When you see a Beats of Rage flyer or a Dark-Cide flyer or a Misery of Sound flyer, you know exactly what it is, the logos and the fonts aren't the most original in the world, but it works. Individuality in font and design is good, but it can be overdone when it says more about the artist than the event.

[Heartbox]

/snip

Of course, I appreciate that. Which is why I make it clear what I want to do, and if whoever I'm doing the work for doesn't want me to use that text, I won't. I consider myself an artist as much as I do a functional graphic designer, so I use these as my art as much as I can. If it was my living rather than what I do for my pleasure, I'd be more concerned about what others think of them. Also, if I get paid, the customer gets more of what they want. I spend 40 hours a week giving the customer exactly what they want, and what I do outside of my office hours I try to keep myself happy too otherwise I won't do it.

But, no one HAS to use me if they don't like the work. There's no limit of wannabee designers and promoters out there, and I'm not short of work. So, I'll continue to develop my style as I see fit. But thanks for your input.

[evilgingeremperor]

even if the mask looks a little crap

You mean a little awesome.

[bik]

Of course, I appreciate that. Which is why I make it clear what I want to do, and if whoever I'm doing the work for doesn't want me to use that text, I won't. I consider myself an artist as much as I do a functional graphic designer, so I use these as my art as much as I can. If it was my living rather than what I do for my pleasure, I'd be more concerned about what others think of them. Also, if I get paid, the customer gets more of what they want. I spend 40 hours a week giving the customer exactly what they want, and what I do outside of my office hours I try to keep myself happy too otherwise I won't do it.

But, no one HAS to use me if they don't like the work. There's no limit of wannabee designers and promoters out there, and I'm not short of work. So, I'll continue to develop my style as I see fit. But thanks for your input.


i like what you do, and i like the bloody sunday logo you have conjoured. until (flhwzd&tch2theH) took over the venue, i think bldysndy and the mdfrrt have a great thing going, no matter whether people can read your font.its all good. but this thread ain't about no posters. it ain't about no ethencticitycity...city, it ain't about no creed.....its about getting scantily clad hot girls to our nights. am i wrong?

[Heartbox]

i like what you do, and i like the bloody sunday logo you have conjoured. until (flhwzd&tch2theH) took over the venue, i think bldysndy and the mdfrrt have a great thing going, no matter whether people can read your font.its all good. but this thread ain't about no posters. it ain't about no ethencticitycity...city, it ain't about no creed.....its about getting scantily clad hot girls to our nights. am i wrong?

Thanks dude. I'm glad to have you on my side. You have a hammer!

[bik]

Thanks dude. I'm glad to have you on my side. You have a hammer!

always man, the designs you have done for me, esp. the birthday one, are pure class in a glass

[Tim]

I'm still waiting for the invite to play BoM considering my Gameboy will kick the **** out of any Marshall stack.

[bik]

I'm still waiting for the invite to play BoM considering my Gameboy will kick the **** out of any Marshall stack.

is "bloody sunday" to lesbian for you?

[J2TheH]

James' painfully middle-class, received-pronounciation-cum-Ebonics spiel.

Aint nothing painful about being middle-class.

Brap.

[J2TheH]

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/J2TheH/BOM-logo.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/J2TheH/BOM-logo.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/J2TheH/BOM-logo.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/J2TheH/BOM-logo.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/J2TheH/BOM-logo.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/J2TheH/BOM-logo.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/J2TheH/BOM-logo.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/J2TheH/BOM-logo.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/J2TheH/BOM-logo.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/J2TheH/BOM-logo.jpg

That is all.

[Jonnysus]

there's no way of describing how cheesy that is.

I love it.

[Punkage]

The main problem ive heard is that there isn't enough promotion for nights like this. According to lemmie, the beats of rage boys promote the shit out of the club night and it works so why not a metal night...if you want ill go out flyering so let me know.

[J2TheH]

The main problem ive heard is that there isn't enough promotion for nights like this. According to lemmie, the beats of rage boys promote the shit out of the club night and it works so why not a metal night...if you want ill go out flyering so let me know.

What if the Beats of Rage boys were helping with the BOM? Hmmmmmm? That could work!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/229/520428159_852a63d7d1.jpg

[Mr. Rob]

my Gameboy will kick the **** out of any Marshall stack.


No it won't.
Also, gameboys can be accidentally stood on.:)

[bik]

What if the Beats of Rage boys were helping with the BOM? Hmmmmmm? That could work!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/229/520428159_852a63d7d1.jpg

lol at fat bik in the yellow tee

[Rach]

lol at fat bik in the yellow tee

lol

[jesus_nightside_eclipse]

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/J2TheH/BOM-logo.jpg

I think that's quality. Sure, it's not original at all in it's choice of font, but it speaks volumes about the night itself. Quality work, James.

[evilgingeremperor]

I think that's quality. Sure, it's not original at all in it's choice of font, but it speaks volumes about the night itself. Quality work, James.

Not sure if my sarcasm detector is working...

[J2TheH]

Not sure if my sarcasm detector is working...

He's hating, because I'm a quality photoshop master.

[Jonnysus]

he's not hating at all

[Thrust]

Now there are dates and stuff for BOM (unfortunatly missing first 2 as I'll be out of Preston on those dates) I have had an idea!

Dark-Cide has electro-cide in the small room, could BOM have the guys who did the Plague night at Flux in the small room?

BOM room rocking out the classic, modern, mainstream metal. Plague in the other room playing black, death, grind etc?

What d'yall think?

[Jonnysus]

Now there are dates and stuff for BOM (unfortunatly missing first 2 as I'll be out of Preston on those dates) I have had an idea!

Dark-Cide has electro-cide in the small room, could BOM have the guys who did the Plague night at Flux in the small room?

BOM room rocking out the classic, modern, mainstream metal. Plague in the other room playing black, death, grind etc?

What d'yall think?

i like this idea

[Joe]

he's not hating at all

truth

[jesus_nightside_eclipse]

He's hating, because I'm a quality photoshop master.

I'm not, I think it's a great logo, it does exactly everything that it needs to. Also, the Plague idea is awesome.

[evilgingeremperor]

I'm not, I think it's a great logo, it does exactly everything that it needs to. Also, the Plague idea is awesome.

Cool, cheers.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/mattfawbert/The%20Venue/BOM-webflyer.jpg

[J2TheH]

Cool, cheers.



Why are you taking the credit? That shit's all me. :p

[Tim]

Cool, cheers.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/mattfawbert/The%20Venue/BOM-webflyer.jpg

Worst flyer ever.

[Joe]

edit; double post

[Joe]

Cool, cheers.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/mattfawbert/The%20Venue/BOM-webflyer.jpg

terrible flyer- HOWEVER it does the job great and I cant make flyers so who am I to critcize?


the play-list in the background is looking awesome.

[evilgingeremperor]

Worst flyer ever.

terrible flyer- HOWEVER

Twins.

[Jonnysus]

that's awesome

[J2TheH]

I keep reading Jerry Cantrell as Blu Cantrell.

I WISH.

[Joe]

Twins.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/09/twins.jpg

[evilgingeremperor]

terrible flyer- HOWEVER it does the job great and I cant make flyers so who am I to critcize?


the play-list in the background is looking awesome.

It's a terrible flyer except it does the job great? The job of a flyer? Therefore it's a great flyer?

Cheers! :D

[Tim]

I don't see The Vengaboys in the line-up.

Or Steps.

I'm not coming now.

[Joe]

It's a terrible flyer except it does the job great? The job of a flyer? Therefore it's a great flyer?

Cheers! :D

yeah it's great!


its just shit

[Markoos]

.....haters.

[Tim]

.....haters.

They see me rollin'...

[Redneck]

hiya hiya .....dribble...

[Jonnysus]

iya scottypoo